It only takes the reader to the Wikipedia article about the newspaper. fora.pl - za³ó¿ w³asne forum dyskusyjne za darmo That's what the books about Titanic say. When I found this article it looked like this, so quite frankly it seemed to be promoting the site. When will these. The list is heavily based on Encyclopedia Titanica, so it may be helpful to simply provide a link to that resource instead of attempting to mirror it. Welcome to the Encyclopedia Titanica Message Board. ", If you realize that your argument could have been stated better, and you've composed what you are sure is a more convincing version, then, and only then, would you have another constructive contribution to post. It is not a reference. Encyclopedia Mythica is the premier encyclopedia on mythology, folklore, and religion. That only leaves the Sunday Life reference. http://www.titanic-titanic.com/carpathia-to-titanics-rescue/. Assume competence. It's a waste of time and space. They still ignored the ice warnings. Proper Debris field Mapping and where to find it? In all caps? A Titanic survivor called Major Peuchen testified in America and said - "The Northern lights were very strong that night." Sign up . Steps to complete this assignment: Choose one passenger or crew member that you would like to research. Is that enough for notoriety? In the rush following the collision, the stewards, occupied with waking up sleeping passengers and leading groups of women and children to the boat deck, did not have time to open all the gates, leaving many of the confused third-class passengers stuck below decks. First of all, Richard, I did not remove the New York Times reference. The website, a nonprofit endeavor, is a database of passenger and crew biographies, deck plans, and articles submitted by historians or Titanic enthusiasts. Look for the cockup before the conspiracy. Robert Hichens 1 was born in St Peter's Square, Newlyn, Cornwall on 16 September 1882. I don't recall the northern lights being mentioned before but several survivors said they saw them. Let their arguments be judged on their merits, which is no less than what you're entitled to. Niewa¿ne, wilk, cz³owiek, czy kwiat. Whatever... they didn't have the Iceberg location. For example, both Michel M. and Edmond Navratil were notable following the disaster for being orphaned and the quest to find who their mother was, but Michel gained further notoriety for being the last living male survivor. "Czasami przyt³oczeni cie¿arem tego, co stracili¶my, tracimi z oczu ca³y sens ¿ycia, a mimo to idziemy wci±¿ naprzód odnosz±c niezliczone rany. What's more condescending than that? Please gracefully accept that not everyone agrees. Forum TITANIC - forum o Titanicu Strona G³ówna, Filmy, ksi±¿ki, artyku³y i inne o Titanicu. Please look at what you've got there. —RMCD bot 18:33, 14 August 2020 (UTC), No consensus, so retain the status quo. Encyclopedia Titanica is an online reference work containing extensive and constantly updated information on the RMS Titanic. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. & F.N. So would both he and his brother be included for their post-rescue feature in international newspapers? Instant mythology since 1995. That is not what Wikipedia is for. Both the New York Times and Time magazine do not archive sidebar information. You ask for justification, editors give you justification, and you go on haranguing for more instead of addressing or refuting the uses given. Nothing. However, I stand by the original prod nomination. They were not on the White Star Line's payroll but were contracted to White Star by the Liverpool firm of C.W. See the list attached for choices of each category. Possibly. Why are you bothering to post a reply? By So, now you're accusing me of having an "agenda"? It seems appropriate to establish some sort of criteria for inclusion. Site info: Encyclopedia Titanica: Titanic Facts, History and Biography. Of these, 1680 were male and 434 were female; 112 children were aboard, the largest number of which were in third class. They boarded at Southampton and traveled as second-class passengers. Hitting an iceberg caused the disaster, did a solar flare affect the compasses is another question. Their new book focuses on the forgotten career of Mrs. Henry B. Harris, Broadway’s first woman producer, but authors Gregg Jasper and Randy Bigham also share for the first time a … RMS Valient-what happened to her, and what does the wreck look like? We all know what we're saying. Frank Aks was less than a year old but had brief notoriety in a modern day Judgement of Soloman scenario on the Carpathia. Timeline. Would that mess about with the ship's compass and throw them off course? How do you quantify that, though? There was a passenger who was travelling with a married man and conceived their child on board the ship. There is no article. Do me a favor - pick a name from the 3rd class part of the list at random and find me a single reliable source that covers any aspect of their life. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. If you think you've made the best argument you can make, then you don't need to say anything more. https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/339586/did-a-solar-flare-cause-the-titanic-disaster. Je¿eli chodzi o analogiczne ELEMENTY Encyklopedii, to sam wymienia³bym raczej niektóre elementy [link widoczny dla zalogowanych] . Here people can judge for themselves. --, Neither "condescending" nor "assumptions", so how about you stop casting, Nope, you couldn't be more wrong about any of those things. A forum to discuss important topical issues of interest to members. –dlthewave ☎ 02:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC) Including body/lifeboat numbers absolutely contributes to the reader's understanding. & F.N. Jump to navigation Jump to search. .....Robert Frost. Instead of respectfully disagreeing, you're saying that the fact that they aren't on board with your agenda and don't share your opinions means that they aren't qualified to have an opinion. This is spelled out in WP:BADGER: "The fact that you have a question, concern, or objection does not mandate that others (or anyone in particular) address it. Should I put it in bullet point form? Life in the Edwardian era, lifestyle of Titanic passengers. Encyclopedia Titanica Other Title Encyclopedia Titanica, Titanic passenger and crew research Summary A resource for anyone interested in the Titanic. The night was clear and one of the stars that would have been visible was Polaris, the north star. Piratesswoop gave reasons. With the article lede in place as a quote, I found it in a nanosecond. Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group. So your intent is to re-post the same thing every single time an editor !votes, One wonders how you can imagine that I'm badgering anyone after I respond to. As for encyclopedias being compendiums of knowledge, we can quibble over dictionary definitions of words all you like, but doing so just reveals that you don't know the purpose of an encyclopedia. I just don't believe it was from sun flares, but just from hitting a ice burg "). Download the full set of Titanic Deckplans, Advanced searching, copy export and print from the ET People Database. Here, in full colour, is one of the most detailed and accurate profiles of Titanic available. roundups that are at the right price, on-trend, consumer favorites, and timely. As a starting point, I propose that the list be trimmed to only include blue-linked names. Black, in Liverpool. WikiProject Ships (Rated Start-class) This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ships, a project to improve all Ship-related articles. --. Most web content is not permanent. https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/community/threads/when-did-the-northern-lights-appear.36043/. This site gives an account of the arrival. Site info: Encyclopedia Titanica: Titanic Facts, History and Biography. None of us involved with ET think we know all there is to know; we just attempt to keep the site a reflection of the most up-to-date research. I remember reading everyone saying the night was dark and full of stars. Let everyone make up their mind without having to be pestered. W ET jest jeszcze jedna, przydatna, podstawowa rzecz. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 22:24, 17 October 2007 (UTC), The deletion discussion has now concluded with a "keep" result. Join us for detailed discussions and access to the rest of Encyclopedia Titanica. So planning a route at that time was going to Europe and not running aground... Navigating was working on a charts and approximative at a certain degree because of winds and current until landmarks... a couple degree of deviation was accurate more or less. Over 2,100 individual passenger and crew biographies, regularly updated passenger and crew listings, exclusive research articles, and ongoing discussions about the Titanic. Hmmm... mój ulubiony artyku³ (je¶li tak mo¿na siê wyraziæ, bior±c pod uwagê, o czym jest) zosta³ ju¿ umieszczony("Who Died How?"). Interesting theory, but where is the evidence? What this article needs is the time that is being spent on this be devoted actually be put into expanding the article itself, and finding references that are verifiable for the information provided. I just found a forum that 's discussing this. Black, who placed musicians on almost all British liners. So far, no one who wants to keep the list has answered this question, and this is at the core of any decision to include or exclude content from an article. How about before you rush to post put-downs of those who saw your posts and weren't impressed, you stop and consider that maybe you didn't do such a fantastic job of convincing them? The discovery, exploration and salvage of the Titanic. RMS Titanic comes to life in vivid detail with this beautiful poster. Ciekawe kiedy bêdzie polska os³ona Encyklopedii Titanica. Badgering each editor who doesn't !vote your way doesn't make your argument any more persuasive. The Titanic was supposed to be steaming west to America but the wreck is pointing North where the icebergs where located. How Far Apart were Titanic and Californian? I have noticed that some citations in other articles don't actually support reference. Respect other editors. But you would need evidence of that and none of the surviving ships crew, especially Lightholler, has said anything like that. A possible role of space weather in the Titanic disaster, Articles on Other Ships Other Ship Disasters, TITANIC’S CENTRE PROPELLER: THE STEPHEN PIGOTT EVIDENCE, Encyclopedia Titanica Message Board Information. I see you have no answer to my question. The supernatural is the natural not yet understood.-Elbert Hubbard, "Some say the world will end in fire, some say in ice." It's the one I left. RMS Titanic history and research. It’s called, Dennis, that you don't understand the question doesn't make it sealioning. —Albert Einstein The editor closing this discussion is smart enough to see the merits of all the points made without any needing to be "discluded". Research, questions and discussions about Titanic's crew. I remember reading everyone saying the night was dark and full of stars. –dlthewave ☎ 19:22, 20 November 2018 (UTC), Assume good faith. I don't recall the northern lights being mentioned before but several survivors said they saw them. Wildhartlivie 01:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC), Disclosure: I am a moderator of the message board and a frequent contributor of contemporary news stories to the main ET site.