Some portions of the test are even OpenCL-enabled. When it comes to desktop reviews, they provide the best. Can you please say what the heat output was? That’s for having 2x the graphics resource mind you. I think AMD shows well here. Even with all those tweaks it’s still not that good. Qtbench records the time needed to compile the Qt SDK using the GCC compiler. AMD needs to release a 3x or 4x channel APU or something. A lot of these comments are complaining about the price. In both performance potential (as measured by its average FPS) and in delivered smoothness (as measured by its 99th-percentile frame time), Vega 8 stomps all over the Intel IGPs. (‘ω’), A portable computer, basically a DTR, but in a slimmer form factor due to not having to design for battery power, or dual power sources (battery/AC). I do considerable simulation or astro photography work, using an SSD on this laptop. I would love to see a beefed up Radeon IGP with the Ryzen 7 for a total system power of 35w-45w. I’m also curious as to the battery life vs a low-power Intel chip and MX150. AMD feels it can chase down these leads with existing "Zen 2" IP without having to wait for "Zen 3." For 15W, assuming that the power draw does work out similar to Intel, I think what we’re getting is pretty good. Vsync was disabled using the graphics-driver control panel, where possible. eventually be cheaper than the Intel CPU and Nvidia discrete chip combo? Hmm, kind of figures on the GPU side, the best hope was catching the MX150, but that has dedicated memory going for it, IGPs are hard pressed for memory bandwidth contention. For more information on the guts of Ryzen Mobile, be sure to check out my launch-day coverage. I was actually worried the race would be even closer than it is on the GPU, even vs. Intel’s GT2 parts. I frankly see no real reason why Cannon Lake’s mobile IGP won’t be able to keep up with these mobile parts given that the IGPs in the Kaby Lake refresh parts are basically mid-level Intel IGPs that were first launched in 2015. We chose the “bmw27” test file from Blender’s selection of benchmark scenes to put our CPUs through their paces. While plugged in laptops are obviously a relevant usage model, I still question the utility of getting a laptop if it is *never* going to be unplugged . Kaby Lake Refresh brings the same four cores and eight threads to 15W CPUs that AMD is targeting with the CPU side of the Ryzen Mobile family. With discrete graphics now within striking distance for price and battery life, why buy an APU and sacrifice performance? To me, iGPUs are either “fast enough” or “not worth it.” With such meager showings in games as undemanding as DOTA 2 @ Fastest (which runs at 42% render quality and looks beyond awful), this APU falls into the latter category. His machine is in no way configured with single channel memory. Even if one wouldn’t want to play Dota 2 on the Radeon at these settings, these results prove that AMD’s Vega IGP is in its own class for integrated graphics performance. I should have been more clear. Hope you get tons of clicks and cash flow. Given that the Ryzen 7 mobile should have peak GPU performance of about 45% over this Ryzen 5. What I was hoping for is the IGP portion of the 2500U to pack a little more punch. Handbrake seems to favor the wider SIMD units and higher per-core performance of the Core i5-8250U in this workload, but the Ryzen 5 2500U isn’t far behind. We have to shift our attention to the 16.7-ms graph to find the crossover point where the Vega 8 delivers superior results to the Intel IGP duo. I’m still trying to figure out a method that ensures a level playing field. Lenovo Ideapad S540-14API (81NH004APB) The PhotoWorxx test uses AVX2 instructions on all of these chips. For information about the Envy x360’s battery life, refer to our separate article published after this piece hit the wires. Regarding the system costs,the X360 is part of the more expensive Envy range of 2 in 1 touchscreen laptops: To do an accurate battery comparison with different size installed screens – hook up an external monitor and turn off the built in screen and test the different laptops on the same monitor. For all that, I wouldn’t read too much into these chips’ performance with Dota 2‘s Fastest preset. Specially if you travel a lot. *looks at frametime numbers for Witcher 3 and DOOM*. Also sweet AMD! Some places on the web (yes I know…) claimed the CPU can be adjusted for 25 or 15W, and it’s the higher wattage option that is the default in the Envy. If my memory is right there was one of those charts with an eDRAM model once, and it fared much better in frame times. It might be held back by bandwidth, but I would still expect 25% at least. And yes, I am willing to pay $100 or $200 more on a laptop that properly works with my workflow. Although the Ryzen 5 2500U is a little behind the i5-8250U’s file-compression performance with 7-zip, it’s just about as fast in the more common decompression task. Sweet Jeff! Also you could post links to the real benchmarks that show this dominance. I bumped The Witcher 3 to 1600×900 while keeping my graphics settings the same as I did at 1280×720. The 15.6″ HP Envy x360 that hosts the Ryzen 5 2500U has lots of metal in its expansive chassis, and it has a powerful-sounding and aggressive fan inside. Are there efficiencies to be gained in shared components? Dota 2 has a reputation for running on everything, even Intel integrated graphics, thanks to a wide and forgiving range of graphics options. The CPU speed indicates how many processing cycles per second can be executed by a CPU, considering all of its cores (processing units). They even updated the article with new drivers from HP and noted that the CPU usage during video playback was quite low so it’s not like there was a software bug that was preventing the GPU from handling video offload duties. Just wanted to see a little more out of team Red. The integrated Radeon could be a better performer than older versions of Nvidia’s entry-level discrete chips, though. It has 25% more bandwidth (64 bit @ 6000 vs. 128 bit @ 2400), but that’s dedicated bandwidth. On the CPU side of the die, Zen still has a modest single-threaded performance deficit versus a similarly-clocked Skylake core in our testing, and that seems to hurt the Ryzen 5 2500U in productivity tasks like web browsing and office work where responsiveness is paramount. Given those workloads, it’s no shock that the Alienware 13 R3 comes out on top, but the Ryzen 5 2500U finally has an opportunity to demonstrate superiority over even the MX150-powered Acer Swift 3. HotHardware’s Cinebench numbers, which are more of a steady-state workload compared to the short and bursty nature of Geekbench, shake out more as you’d expect. That said, Geekbench has a reputation for producing unusually variable results and I tend to shy from it for that reason. I seem to recall years of propaganda telling us about how AMD literally invented the concept of slapping graphics cores onto a chip and how Intel could never compete… ever! If the game truly is CPU-bound with these settings, our results would suggest that it might be beneficial to find a recipe of settings that shift more of the work to the IGP. Thanks! My generally favorable impression of The Witcher 3 on the Vega 8 is borne out by our time-spent-beyond-33.3-ms graph. I don’t trust manufacturers of notebooks to have no rigged it so Windows options don’t reflect these changes. DDR4-2400.). Again, its quite amazing Vega 8 can beat GT3e without having eDRAM. You have to worry for the future of Intel’s IGPs. If AMD prices a 15W Raven Ridge in such a way that a 15W Intel + 30W MX150 is price competitive in an otherwise comparable chassis, then AMD has made a [i. hm. A very special thanks is in order here for Native Instruments, who kindly provided us with the Kontakt licenses necessary to run the DAWBench VI project file. This page is currently only available in English. I understand that these devices are in different TDP categories, but someone who is interested in gaming would want to target a higher TDP, and someone who doesn’t want to game would be happy with Intel integrated. Again. I’m pretty sure 10W for memory/MC is way too high – even half that is probably too high but more reasonable (this is only 64bit, and nowadays everybody uses low voltage gddr5 too). 35W Ryzen 7 mobile system should keep up with a 20-25W MX 150 and 15W Intel CPU just fine. The DAWBench DSP test is less about agility and more about pure multithreaded grunt. Do you have any info weather the CPU was configured for 25W TDP? This does indeed complicate matters though as it will vary a lot from one laptop to another even with theoretically identical hardware. Not to mention the battery life figures that are coming out where even trivial 1080p video playback sucks hardcore power. The net result of all that furriness in the graph is that the MX150 spends just about six seconds past 16.7 ms working on tough frames. I’d recommend waiting and seeing how other Ryzen Mobile systems shake out unless you simply must have one of these APUs in a laptop today. Did I miss how much these cost compared to the intel ones? I agree, it’s not that easy to find accurate in-depth tests without passing by TR. If AMD can’t get 1080p video playback running on their APU that’s using a GPU architecture that’s been out for months then telling the truth about their problems isn’t a bad reflection on me, it’s a bad reflection on AMD. Laptopy z AMD Ryzen 5. I do hope that AMD pulls through here. Not mentioning this in PCMark 10 overall score is specially funny. The thermal design power (TDP) is the maximum amount of power the cooling system needs to dissipate. Not to mention that there are question marks over Intels long term commitment to integrated graphics. It is easier to obtain better performance when using virtualization if it is hardware-assisted. You can play Doom on the Ryzen 5 2500U, but it’s not the most fulfilling experience. Numpad. Let’s talk a bit about the first system with a Ryzen Mobile APU inside: HP’s Envy x360. As long as he doesn’t use small fft’s prime, lol…. Why not run the standard TR laptop battery life Browserbench? I don’t know about late…I still haven’t seen a 4C/8T NUC for sale, minus Skull Canyon. I’m loath to comment on other sites’ testing methods or results, because we all test differently and in different environments. Intel actually sees Nvidia as the more dangerous enemy despite what you might think from the propaganda that gets flung around the comment section. Well, yeah. All I said was I was impressed with it. Stylus computing + Numpad is very important for my personal workflow, and its hard for me to find other laptops within this price range that have a GOOD active digitizer (a lot of them are awful) and a decent numpad. That thermal limit resulted in swings in clock speeds of a couple hundred MHz, so it could be that Doom just doesn’t react well to that kind of variance. To see how it performs on these chips, we’re switching things up from some of our past reviews. The mobile Zen CPU part seems to be performing better than expected. For its part, Intel probably understands that Core i7 numbers are a hit with enthusiasts on the desktop, but the vast majority of regular laptop users are going to be shopping Core i5s. This setup won’t be representative of the Envy x360 you might buy at retail, but it’s a much fairer starting point for the Ryzen 5 2500U. Well, these numbers aren’t quite what I expected. I forgot it was 64b… so probably 5-7W? Or alternatively, the i5 one at the same cost but without the mx150. 2. (IE: Stylus support and Numpad). Dell and Lenovo do this with a huge amount of machines. A lower TDP typically means that it consumes less power. Little ryzen is a bit rough around the edges but gets kudos. Also, I little surprised how big the gap between UHD 620 and HD620 because both have same architecture and 24 EU. 25W would include the memory+MC I selected a blend of medium and low settings to really give these IGPs a workout with this demanding title. I believe that you’re accusing me of testing an Acer Swift 3 with an i5-8250U at 25W TDP against our HP Envy x360 with Ryzen inside running at 15W. The clock multiplier controls the speed of the CPU. Nobody seems to mention this about this laptop. The memory bandwidth test shows this.